Comments on: 340 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/ Just another WordPress.com weblog Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:05:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: jonbirch http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-5054 jonbirch Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:37:48 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-5054 allat sea+ ... this doesn't sound like 'a mess' at all. sounds like you have your head screwed on to me. :-) allat sea+ … this doesn’t sound like ‘a mess’ at all. sounds like you have your head screwed on to me. :-)

]]> By: allatseawithabucketandspade http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-5045 allatseawithabucketandspade Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:10:43 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-5045 I'm a big old mess theologically. I don't believe Jonah lived in a fish for 3 days. I'm not saying he didn't. But in my heart I know that I personally haven't accepted it as true. I also doubt that Jacob came out of the womb holding on to his brother's heel. But I get what the bible's saying on both and I'm more than happy to accept the truth of that. I think sometimes we just miss the point when we hang on to the 'word for word' meaning. Like creation/evolution. I always believed in creation. Then I went through this huge guilt because it stopped making sense. Not God as Creator but the timeline and stuff. One day it just kind of hit me that it really makes no difference to our story. I don't think the point of genesis was for a load of us to walk around insisting God made all this in 7 of our short days. The point was God made us, we sinned and became seperated. It sets the scene for the whole of the Israel story where God keeps bringing them back over and over and then ultimately, Christ on the cross. Yay!!! The deeper truths make my heart bubble up. I want to love him. The wording and the argues make me wonder if I'm in trouble for my feeble brain. Makes me want to hide. I go with what makes the fruit good? I’m a big old mess theologically. I don’t believe Jonah lived in a fish for 3 days. I’m not saying he didn’t. But in my heart I know that I personally haven’t accepted it as true. I also doubt that Jacob came out of the womb holding on to his brother’s heel. But I get what the bible’s saying on both and I’m more than happy to accept the truth of that.

I think sometimes we just miss the point when we hang on to the ‘word for word’ meaning.

Like creation/evolution. I always believed in creation. Then I went through this huge guilt because it stopped making sense. Not God as Creator but the timeline and stuff.

One day it just kind of hit me that it really makes no difference to our story. I don’t think the point of genesis was for a load of us to walk around insisting God made all this in 7 of our short days. The point was God made us, we sinned and became seperated. It sets the scene for the whole of the Israel story where God keeps bringing them back over and over and then ultimately, Christ on the cross. Yay!!!

The deeper truths make my heart bubble up. I want to love him. The wording and the argues make me wonder if I’m in trouble for my feeble brain. Makes me want to hide.

I go with what makes the fruit good?

]]> By: sarah http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4876 sarah Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:31:13 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4876 steve very sorry about your experience praying for you sarah steve

very sorry about your experience

praying for you

sarah

]]> By: jonbirch http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4871 jonbirch Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:36:55 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4871 thanks steve. :-) i would never want to underestimate how it must feel to be in the situation where the safety nets are gone. it seems, that for some, the safety of certainty is very important. how must it feel when the rug is pulled from under them? for those who maintain their faith christ is still present, but i wonder what harm is done to those whose hurt divorces them altogether? i guess for some, awful and for others, a blessed relief... but i don't know. thanks steve. :-) i would never want to underestimate how it must feel to be in the situation where the safety nets are gone. it seems, that for some, the safety of certainty is very important. how must it feel when the rug is pulled from under them? for those who maintain their faith christ is still present, but i wonder what harm is done to those whose hurt divorces them altogether? i guess for some, awful and for others, a blessed relief… but i don’t know.

]]> By: Recovery is a Good thing | Careful Thought http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4868 Recovery is a Good thing | Careful Thought Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:08:24 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4868 [...] (HT: ASBO Jesus) [...] [...] (HT: ASBO Jesus) [...]

]]> By: Steve http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4867 Steve Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:02:32 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4867 <i>is there anyone out there, i wonder, who reads this blog who can give more insight into what it is actually like to make a new life or rebuild faith after coming from this sort of background?</i> If I can take a stab at it... This past summer we were asked to leave an evangelical/fundamentalist church that had been our home for eight years. The reason? We professed a belief that the earth was more than 6,000 years old. We were very hurt, obviously, but the experience forced me to reevaluate many things that I had been taught in that environment. Fundamentalism (within christianity, anyway) was a late 19th/earth 20th century reaction to the horrors and atrocities of modern life. They took the best parts of evangelicalism (study of Scripture), but then divorced themselves from the world. Everything outside their own sphere became a threat to the authority of Scripture and of God. Wantt to reach the world? Send a check to a missionary from the safety of your own cocoon. I still trust Scripture, but not necessarily man's interpretation of it. It's the job of the Holy Spirit to give us understanding, not a denomination. is there anyone out there, i wonder, who reads this blog who can give more insight into what it is actually like to make a new life or rebuild faith after coming from this sort of background?

If I can take a stab at it… This past summer we were asked to leave an evangelical/fundamentalist church that had been our home for eight years. The reason? We professed a belief that the earth was more than 6,000 years old. We were very hurt, obviously, but the experience forced me to reevaluate many things that I had been taught in that environment. Fundamentalism (within christianity, anyway) was a late 19th/earth 20th century reaction to the horrors and atrocities of modern life. They took the best parts of evangelicalism (study of Scripture), but then divorced themselves from the world. Everything outside their own sphere became a threat to the authority of Scripture and of God. Wantt to reach the world? Send a check to a missionary from the safety of your own cocoon.

I still trust Scripture, but not necessarily man’s interpretation of it. It’s the job of the Holy Spirit to give us understanding, not a denomination.

]]> By: Steve Lancaster http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4850 Steve Lancaster Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:52:04 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4850 "i want my roots in christ, his person, his teaching… nothing more, nothing less. all the other stuff, including paul and the early church dogsa and recent church dogma etc. etc. is a pale reflection in comparison to him. christ is what matters. as you’re running and jumping round the walls in an uber cool fashion, try not to bump into me cos i’ll be there too!" Bravo! “i want my roots in christ, his person, his teaching… nothing more, nothing less. all the other stuff, including paul and the early church dogsa and recent church dogma etc. etc. is a pale reflection in comparison to him. christ is what matters.
as you’re running and jumping round the walls in an uber cool fashion, try not to bump into me cos i’ll be there too!”

Bravo!

]]> By: jonbirch http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4806 jonbirch Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:49:44 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4806 no sas ... on the contrary... an interesting other take. thanks! :-) my thought when i did the cartoon was that i was happy for the guy to be out of his oppression. i guess if you've come out of that kind of restrictive environment it may take a long time, forever, or never to find your wings. is there anyone out there, i wonder, who reads this blog who can give more insight into what it is actually like to make a new life or rebuild faith after coming from this sort of background? no sas … on the contrary… an interesting other take. thanks! :-)
my thought when i did the cartoon was that i was happy for the guy to be out of his oppression. i guess if you’ve come out of that kind of restrictive environment it may take a long time, forever, or never to find your wings.
is there anyone out there, i wonder, who reads this blog who can give more insight into what it is actually like to make a new life or rebuild faith after coming from this sort of background?

]]> By: sarah http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4803 sarah Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:15:08 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4803 Jon I know that wasn't very nice so I'm sorry it if was hurtful. Sas Jon I know that wasn’t very nice so I’m sorry it if was hurtful.

Sas

]]> By: sarah http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4769 sarah Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:04:57 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/340/#comment-4769 Jon, re your question in comment no 21 - I'm angry at him because he's so self-centered and insufficient when he doesn't think he's any of those things. He's going to hurt a lot more people and continue to hurt himself along the way. Hopefully he'll grow out of it. I know my anger says more about me than it does this character. Sas x Jon, re your question in comment no 21 -

I’m angry at him because he’s so self-centered and insufficient when he doesn’t think he’s any of those things. He’s going to hurt a lot more people and continue to hurt himself along the way.

Hopefully he’ll grow out of it.

I know my anger says more about me than it does this character.

Sas x

]]>