Actually the US reminds me more of King David – we started out small but morphed into a major bad ass that took whatever she wanted whenever she wanted it.
Do you have a direct email address I can use to discuss directly with you some issues re the use of these wonderful cartoons in the contect of a Church launch?
And while the father ran out to meet him does anyone else think that the some of the Christian community is acting a bit too much like the older brother?
(interestingly this came through my feed at the same time as the latest barna update)
Comment by Miriworm — November 10, 2008 @ 11:13 am
hiya miriworm. if you’re worried that i might be in danger of making obama an object of worship, you needn’t be. i am still, almost a week later delighted at what america did in it’s election, but am under no illusions. i believe there are hard times for all of us, no less obama who is after all a mere mortal. but i believe the vote represents a view in america that the world matters and joining in matters and being a force for good matters. i do believe that obama and i worship the same god… with bush i was by no means sure of that… truthfully i was pretty sure we didn’t.
as kate above kinda said, let’s not be the older brother. good thought kate.
hi richard… should be up and running with new email today… i’ll send you the address when i’m sorted.
Yes, some people do worship Obama as though he not Jesus is our savior. This blog is an example of such silliness where one finds much more Obama than Jesus present here …
What angered a number of us here in the States was say emergent men endorsing Obama very strongly during the primaries – this alienated women who already feel excluded from the conversation because many of them were on the fence for Obama or Hillary.
What’s positive is that Obama has given us hope that we have a more benevolent leader in charge of our country. I can travel overseas now without having to justify how we elected Bush. I’m hearing reports that already Americans overseas are receiving a different reception. In that sense, the prodigal son has returned – there’s a spirit of humility that wasn’t present on November 3rd.
Once the honeymoon is over and the puppy is chosen, my prayer is that the very same religious leaders singing his praises will hold his feet to the fire to ensure that he doesn’t neglect the common good. We’re still talking empire and we serve a different king.
“ouch” – I agree with much of the sentiment but it is a little direct and all encompassing of a massive group of people.
I guess the problem with a prodigal motif is that it says more about the past than the future and places those outside of America into the place of judgement and forgiveness.
Although the Obama victory may well turn out to be more positive than a further Republican term, I am utterly unconvinced that the US election result is the result of anything more substantial than the fact that the younger, more attractive, more publicity-savvy guy with the bigger budget won. And although I wish race was a non-issue, it definitely wasn’t in this vote. But I am sincerely glad that someone with Obama’s eloquence will replace Bush, whose every utterance made me cringe. I just can’t share the euphoria.
JF – you have managed to sum up what I keep trying to say but never able to put into words.
I don’t dislike Obama, I think he was the right choice, but his victory was due more to Bush’s ineptitude and the need for change than his ability to govern.
Comment by youthworkerpete — November 10, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
it’s impressive to see the way some black people seem to feel empowered by Obama’s election, which is fab – except we’ve had plenty of Black presidents in other country’s, so not sure what that says about the UK & US.
I was so disappointed to hear he had gone out of his way to reassure the Zionists that he won’t rock the boat and try to restore justice in Palestine, that any sense of liberation from racism just gone out of the window for me
so yes, I don’t feel America has found someone with a passion for seeking to bring God’s love into the world, as you say, we worship at the shrine of ‘the younger, more attractive, more publicity-savvy guy with the bigger budget’ – is this individualism or democracy?
I am praying believe you me – but I am not elated. Obama is a centrist politician – he’s still pro-war though he’ll move the troops out of Iraq and back to Afghanistan. His policy towards Palestine seems mixed – you can’t reassure Zionists that you’ll support them while saying you want peace in the region.
You didn’t come off as foisty – heck, I prayed for Bush (also prayed for me not to strangle the man at time). God works through broken vessels including me. I just am not putting my ultimate hope in him and feel that those who do that will be sorely disappointed.
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I too hope for a change in direction in America’s foreign policy, but send the fatted calf back to the field, it could turn out to be a very bad time to be in a womb…
Let’s not kill the calf yet.
Actually the US reminds me more of King David – we started out small but morphed into a major bad ass that took whatever she wanted whenever she wanted it.
Comment by Becky — November 10, 2008 @ 12:16 am
Hi,
Do you have a direct email address I can use to discuss directly with you some issues re the use of these wonderful cartoons in the contect of a Church launch?
Blessings
Richard
Comment by Richard — November 10, 2008 @ 8:07 am
And while the father ran out to meet him does anyone else think that the some of the Christian community is acting a bit too much like the older brother?
(interestingly this came through my feed at the same time as the latest barna update)
Blessings.
Comment by Kate — November 10, 2008 @ 11:07 am
Beware of making new idols?
Comment by Miriworm — November 10, 2008 @ 11:13 am
hiya miriworm. if you’re worried that i might be in danger of making obama an object of worship, you needn’t be. i am still, almost a week later delighted at what america did in it’s election, but am under no illusions. i believe there are hard times for all of us, no less obama who is after all a mere mortal. but i believe the vote represents a view in america that the world matters and joining in matters and being a force for good matters. i do believe that obama and i worship the same god… with bush i was by no means sure of that… truthfully i was pretty sure we didn’t.
as kate above kinda said, let’s not be the older brother. good thought kate.
hi richard… should be up and running with new email today… i’ll send you the address when i’m sorted.
Comment by jonbirch — November 10, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
Ouch!
Comment by Robb — November 10, 2008 @ 12:49 pm
‘ouch’ to which bit?
Comment by jonbirch — November 10, 2008 @ 1:05 pm
Yes, some people do worship Obama as though he not Jesus is our savior. This blog is an example of such silliness where one finds much more Obama than Jesus present here …
http://blog.beliefnet.com/tonyjones/
What angered a number of us here in the States was say emergent men endorsing Obama very strongly during the primaries – this alienated women who already feel excluded from the conversation because many of them were on the fence for Obama or Hillary.
What’s positive is that Obama has given us hope that we have a more benevolent leader in charge of our country. I can travel overseas now without having to justify how we elected Bush. I’m hearing reports that already Americans overseas are receiving a different reception. In that sense, the prodigal son has returned – there’s a spirit of humility that wasn’t present on November 3rd.
Once the honeymoon is over and the puppy is chosen, my prayer is that the very same religious leaders singing his praises will hold his feet to the fire to ensure that he doesn’t neglect the common good. We’re still talking empire and we serve a different king.
Comment by Becky — November 10, 2008 @ 2:11 pm
“ouch” – I agree with much of the sentiment but it is a little direct and all encompassing of a massive group of people.
I guess the problem with a prodigal motif is that it says more about the past than the future and places those outside of America into the place of judgement and forgiveness.
Again I agree with the sentiment but…
Comment by Robb — November 10, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
i’m a little confused as to who is what in this cartoon :-}
the uncle sam dude is the prodigal right? cos he’s come back from doing his stuff in the world
the other dude is the father?
so is that…. nope, gonna have to explain it to me, sorry for being thick
Comment by jody — November 10, 2008 @ 2:43 pm
Although the Obama victory may well turn out to be more positive than a further Republican term, I am utterly unconvinced that the US election result is the result of anything more substantial than the fact that the younger, more attractive, more publicity-savvy guy with the bigger budget won. And although I wish race was a non-issue, it definitely wasn’t in this vote. But I am sincerely glad that someone with Obama’s eloquence will replace Bush, whose every utterance made me cringe. I just can’t share the euphoria.
Comment by JF — November 10, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
JF – you have managed to sum up what I keep trying to say but never able to put into words.
I don’t dislike Obama, I think he was the right choice, but his victory was due more to Bush’s ineptitude and the need for change than his ability to govern.
Comment by youthworkerpete — November 10, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
it’s impressive to see the way some black people seem to feel empowered by Obama’s election, which is fab – except we’ve had plenty of Black presidents in other country’s, so not sure what that says about the UK & US.
I was so disappointed to hear he had gone out of his way to reassure the Zionists that he won’t rock the boat and try to restore justice in Palestine, that any sense of liberation from racism just gone out of the window for me
so yes, I don’t feel America has found someone with a passion for seeking to bring God’s love into the world, as you say, we worship at the shrine of ‘the younger, more attractive, more publicity-savvy guy with the bigger budget’ – is this individualism or democracy?
Comment by subo — November 10, 2008 @ 8:07 pm
Yeah me too.
Wait to see what happens.
The bible says we must pray for our leaders so whatever we think let’s pray for the man.
And the other leaders.
Sas x
Comment by sarah — November 10, 2008 @ 10:53 pm
I am praying believe you me – but I am not elated. Obama is a centrist politician – he’s still pro-war though he’ll move the troops out of Iraq and back to Afghanistan. His policy towards Palestine seems mixed – you can’t reassure Zionists that you’ll support them while saying you want peace in the region.
Comment by Becky — November 11, 2008 @ 4:36 am
x to all.
Comment by sarah — November 11, 2008 @ 9:02 am
re 14, sorry if I came off foisty. Didn’t mean to.
Comment by sarah — November 11, 2008 @ 9:52 am
You didn’t come off as foisty – heck, I prayed for Bush (also prayed for me not to strangle the man at time). God works through broken vessels including me. I just am not putting my ultimate hope in him and feel that those who do that will be sorely disappointed.
Comment by Becky — November 11, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
quite right too.
Comment by jonbirch — November 11, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
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Pingback by Prodigal USA « nathan the alien — November 11, 2008 @ 7:03 pm
Yep.
Comment by sarah — November 11, 2008 @ 11:37 pm
http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=511
Comment by cate — November 13, 2008 @ 9:17 am
I too hope for a change in direction in America’s foreign policy, but send the fatted calf back to the field, it could turn out to be a very bad time to be in a womb…
Comment by The Cellarer — November 29, 2008 @ 6:55 am