So which one’s damaging to the body and which one is damaging to the soul? I think I’ve seen people act more like idiots drunk on the Spirit as opposed to being drunk on spirits.
Interesting that there is mor human interaction on Friday. Night than Sunday morning. I understant the “purpose” is to worship god but I do prefer it when that is done with interaction with other people.
How do you get that to happen when those who are there just want to face one way and worship by themselves
Interestingly some figures came out in the paper this morning that say that a person who takes one drink a day is more likely to suffer from liver disease than those who binge drink. What does that say about those of us who do see life as being worship and worship a bit each day? Are we more likely to get sclerosis of the soul?
We actually have a bar in the building we use for Church. It is only run as a coffee bar on a Sunday evening (our service time). But occasionally we all look like the first on a Saturday night when someone is having a party to go back on a Sunday evening. Though quite whether we actually look like that on a Sunday evening I’m not so sure.
thats a sharp one Jon, I’m glad it’s possible to have a great time with a fine bottle of wine (or other intoxicating concocktailations), and too to have a fab time worshiping.
I do though recognise, though, the ‘binge worship behaviour’. and think a similar rule might apply from alcohol reduction advise, “ask other people what your like when you’ve been drinking, if you’ve become boring or embarrassing, maybe its time to cut back a bit”
A couple of units most days monday to friday in private (a secret drinker)
Then more on a Wednesday night (party time sorry praise and worship at my church)
And even more on a sunday morning (Early morning drinking!)
And if you add to that trying to lead my life worshiping God in my lifestlye and choices and conversation then even more
(speaking of worship ive just put up a great youtube vid on my blog… Tim Hughes “Greatest Day in History – Happy Day) which is meshed into clips from happy feet and LotR)
One of my favourite songs as well, BeatTheDrum!
Magnificent POWERFUL lyrics. Really gets you in tune with the true Easter spirit..especially with all the ridiculous Easterbunnies, -eggs etc.etc. all around us these days..
Also just watched the video on your blog; FABS too; thnx!
Me too..
It’s the Foundation, the only thing that keeps me going traveling this liferoad..we’re ‘only’ on the way Home..
And yes, it’s a battle alright..I suddenly recall however a line I once read: “If it weren’t for the rocks in its bed, the stream would have no song..”
Okay okay, I agree, sometimes it would be nice to not have so many rocks or perhaps not so many big ones..and yes, I also wish I would get to quieter water sometimes, but still..somehow I find it to be true that people WITH rocks (read: challenges) have so much more to give and share and are often far more ‘interesting’ to be around, than those without any..;-)
“What makes you think I want all your sacrifices?”
says the Lord.
“I am sick of your burnt offerings of rams
and the fat of fattened cattle.
I get no pleasure from the blood
of bulls and lambs and goats.
When you come to worship me,
who asked you to parade through my courts with all your ceremony?
Stop bringing me your meaningless gifts;
the incense of your offerings disgusts me!
As for your celebrations of the new moon and the Sabbath
and your special days for fasting—
they are all sinful and false.
I want no more of your pious meetings.
I hate your new moon celebrations and your annual festivals.
They are a burden to me. I cannot stand them!
When you lift up your hands in prayer, I will not look.
Though you offer many prayers, I will not listen,
for your hands are covered with the blood of innocent victims.
Wash yourselves and be clean!
Get your sins out of my sight.
Give up your evil ways.
Learn to do good.
Seek justice.
Help the oppressed.
Defend the cause of orphans.
Fight for the rights of widows.
“Come now, let’s settle this,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
I will make them as white as snow.
Though they are red like crimson,
I will make them as white as wool.
If you will only obey me,
you will have plenty to eat.
But if you turn away and refuse to listen,
you will be devoured by the sword of your enemies.
I, the Lord, have spoken!”
cheers beatthedrum, I just love that happy days clip. you’ve completly won me over to worship rock
- it was a bit weird though, watching the clip, and then coming back to read Linus’s quote, which some how had arrived just as I flicked back to asbo. it really made me think, it’s not passionate, heart felt, worship that bugs me, it’s that feeling that somethings going down about smugness, or indifference to others, or something. (that thing churches do, about deciding who’s got ‘it’, and who aint) Sometimes people are blasting away, full pelt, and yet a chill drifts across. church can be the coldest place in the world, or full of love, there aint no middle ground.
sorry, yeah, quoting that wasn’t a response to that song or anything. Just a response to the topic from where i’m at with it.
For what its worth, i quite like “greatest day”. Most drummers do, i’d imagine =]
Subo, try playing in the band and watching people “blasting away” and feeling total disconnect whilst you play the song they are singing. It is really odd. You are right there ain’t no middle ground. Which is good, cos God doesn’t care for lukewarm muchly.
This reminds me of the time I was a chalice bearer for Easter – we had to consumer ALL the leftover wine after each service – and we drank it rather quickly. I was plastered after three services.
I found this so funny. It’s so where I’m at. Can’t be bothered with the “look at us, we’re so trendy” church and all the shouty songs. And incidentally, I do not like Happy Day!
One of my favourite ever ASBOs, and true on so many levels!
Although, #28, I’m pretty sure even contemplative/alternative/emergent worshippers can save up all their worshipping power for their fortnightly chillax with God – I don’t think this particular post is getting at one tradition in particular.
Comment by youthworkerpete — March 19, 2009 @ 10:34 pm
thanks youthworkerpete… yup, i’m indiscriminately having a pop at everyone anyone this may apply to.
To #29, I do agree it’s not intended to “get at” any one tradition in particular and didn’t intend to imply that it was, but that was my personal interpretation which which was what amused me and was very much my personal rant!
Reminds me of our evening at Bath City Church, Jon. This made me look up the Revival Fire thing and Todd Bentley to see what had happened to that. Imagine my surprise…
In some US “Emergent Church” circles, one can go to a bar/pub for a religionless Christianity experience – so you can get wasted and worship … bring on the biblical buzz …
following the advice of beatthedrum and Hisgal, I found Tim Hughes and Happy Day on you tube…
sorry, but
I found it disappointing
what gets to me about modern worship songs is that they’re all
in the past tense, every thing is complete…
ok ok, I know the scriptures; I’ve read I Peter as well and
yes, I know that the cross is crucial to my faith and to the
destruction of that spoils this world, but
and this is a big BUT for me
it seems to me that current worship songs give the impression
that the hard work is all done, but
as Paul noted, there is a sense that we have to compete Jesus’
crucifixion in our own lives, holiness doesn’t come in one
whoossshhh, with a torrent of the Holy Spirit (we all hoped that
would be the case in the seventies, and my life seems to be
evidence that it doesn’t go that way….)
I would like more worship songs that centre Jesus but also centre
Him from the ongoing, difficult walk that is my Christian
pilgrimage, otherwise the worship is just fooling people that a few
moments of intensity of feeling captures a depth of God’s life…
I think that’s the difference between binge worship and a life
or sacrifice of worship…
Comment by Caroline Too — March 22, 2009 @ 6:51 pm
“Though I walk upon ground that is rugged and uneven….”
I like to binge worship at times, just drink in the presence of God and give him my all, in singing, dancing, shouting, quiet, sitting, on my knees, face down, standing…. because He is amazing and it is finished. I am free, I am saved, I am rescued becasue of a past event, but in God it is current today as well.
But then there are also times when i want tell him how hard it is, how im struggling, how lonely i feel, when times are tough, when people are after me etc
Is it me or does that sound like the example of a song book we have.. oh yes its Psalms.
CT, agree very much with your point that our worship should express the whole of our heart to God, not just the well-adjusted shiny happy bits. It was a priveledge to hang out with my church community yesterday morning as we acknowledged that sometimes its tough going, but God is still here.
To be fair, no one worship song is going to express the whole gamut of human emotion. That’s why there should be variety in the acts of worship that we come together to engage with God through. I think “Happy Day” is a good way to express one set of human emotions to God. In fairness to Tim Hughes, he is responsible for songs which can help to expressvery differentsets of emotions, too.
One more thing. Genuine worship results in transformed hearts. Transformed hearts act differently. Genuine worship produces change.
ans some binge worship while wishing they were drinking and some run churches in pubs so they can do both at the same time…
Comment by darren — March 19, 2009 @ 3:03 am
and some worship in churches that cause them to binge drink…
Comment by Sara — March 19, 2009 @ 5:28 am
So which one’s damaging to the body and which one is damaging to the soul? I think I’ve seen people act more like idiots drunk on the Spirit as opposed to being drunk on spirits.
Comment by tom — March 19, 2009 @ 5:55 am
Interesting that there is mor human interaction on Friday. Night than Sunday morning. I understant the “purpose” is to worship god but I do prefer it when that is done with interaction with other people.
How do you get that to happen when those who are there just want to face one way and worship by themselves
Comment by Will — March 19, 2009 @ 7:59 am
Interestingly some figures came out in the paper this morning that say that a person who takes one drink a day is more likely to suffer from liver disease than those who binge drink. What does that say about those of us who do see life as being worship and worship a bit each day? Are we more likely to get sclerosis of the soul?
Comment by rockingrev — March 19, 2009 @ 8:26 am
Quite a few do both and they all end up slain in the spirit!
Comment by Miriworm — March 19, 2009 @ 8:34 am
These look like the same people to me….
Comment by Kim — March 19, 2009 @ 8:46 am
So worship is bad?
Comment by Robb — March 19, 2009 @ 9:26 am
Will @4, I agree; maybe it all goes back to what we understand ‘worship’ to be – what is ‘giving glory to God’ all about?
Comment by Pat — March 19, 2009 @ 9:29 am
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Darn im a binge worshipper and a daily worshiper…. im going to come a cropper!
http://www.beatthedrum.wordpress.com
Comment by beatthedrum — March 19, 2009 @ 12:01 pm
how many ‘units’ do you reckon you consume then, beatthedrum?
Comment by jonbirch — March 19, 2009 @ 12:22 pm
We actually have a bar in the building we use for Church. It is only run as a coffee bar on a Sunday evening (our service time). But occasionally we all look like the first on a Saturday night when someone is having a party to go back on a Sunday evening. Though quite whether we actually look like that on a Sunday evening I’m not so sure.
Comment by James — March 19, 2009 @ 1:00 pm
thats a sharp one Jon, I’m glad it’s possible to have a great time with a fine bottle of wine (or other intoxicating concocktailations), and too to have a fab time worshiping.
I do though recognise, though, the ‘binge worship behaviour’. and think a similar rule might apply from alcohol reduction advise, “ask other people what your like when you’ve been drinking, if you’ve become boring or embarrassing, maybe its time to cut back a bit”
Comment by subo — March 19, 2009 @ 1:50 pm
Regarding your comment, Will, about how we can get more people to interact on Sunday like they do on Friday night:
Being invited to small groups that for Sunday school together and also being invited to go to lunch after church seems to help interaction.
Comment by Dorothy — March 19, 2009 @ 2:04 pm
A couple of units most days monday to friday in private (a secret drinker)
Then more on a Wednesday night (party time sorry praise and worship at my church)
And even more on a sunday morning (Early morning drinking!)
And if you add to that trying to lead my life worshiping God in my lifestlye and choices and conversation then even more
(speaking of worship ive just put up a great youtube vid on my blog… Tim Hughes “Greatest Day in History – Happy Day) which is meshed into clips from happy feet and LotR)
http://www.beatthedrum.wordpress.com
Comment by beatthedrum — March 19, 2009 @ 2:17 pm
Maybe God likes it when we we fill our lives with praise and worhsip, and binge on telling him he’s amazing?
Comment by Kayte — March 19, 2009 @ 2:36 pm
Nice way of putting it Kayte!
Comment by beatthedrum — March 19, 2009 @ 2:41 pm
One of my favourite songs as well, BeatTheDrum!
Magnificent POWERFUL lyrics. Really gets you in tune with the true Easter spirit..especially with all the ridiculous Easterbunnies, -eggs etc.etc. all around us these days..
Also just watched the video on your blog; FABS too; thnx!
Comment by HisGal — March 19, 2009 @ 2:47 pm
My pleasure HisGal, I think it sums up how I feel about Jesus and my journey in life, its a battle, but its also fun.
Comment by beatthedrum — March 19, 2009 @ 2:55 pm
Me too..
It’s the Foundation, the only thing that keeps me going traveling this liferoad..we’re ‘only’ on the way Home..
And yes, it’s a battle alright..I suddenly recall however a line I once read: “If it weren’t for the rocks in its bed, the stream would have no song..”
Okay okay, I agree, sometimes it would be nice to not have so many rocks or perhaps not so many big ones..and yes, I also wish I would get to quieter water sometimes, but still..somehow I find it to be true that people WITH rocks (read: challenges) have so much more to give and share and are often far more ‘interesting’ to be around, than those without any..;-)
Comment by HisGal — March 19, 2009 @ 3:47 pm
that is brilliant!!!!
Comment by femaleanon — March 19, 2009 @ 7:22 pm
We have church on Friday night, so this is pretty funny to me.
Comment by Laura — March 19, 2009 @ 7:57 pm
“What makes you think I want all your sacrifices?”
says the Lord.
“I am sick of your burnt offerings of rams
and the fat of fattened cattle.
I get no pleasure from the blood
of bulls and lambs and goats.
When you come to worship me,
who asked you to parade through my courts with all your ceremony?
Stop bringing me your meaningless gifts;
the incense of your offerings disgusts me!
As for your celebrations of the new moon and the Sabbath
and your special days for fasting—
they are all sinful and false.
I want no more of your pious meetings.
I hate your new moon celebrations and your annual festivals.
They are a burden to me. I cannot stand them!
When you lift up your hands in prayer, I will not look.
Though you offer many prayers, I will not listen,
for your hands are covered with the blood of innocent victims.
Wash yourselves and be clean!
Get your sins out of my sight.
Give up your evil ways.
Learn to do good.
Seek justice.
Help the oppressed.
Defend the cause of orphans.
Fight for the rights of widows.
“Come now, let’s settle this,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
I will make them as white as snow.
Though they are red like crimson,
I will make them as white as wool.
If you will only obey me,
you will have plenty to eat.
But if you turn away and refuse to listen,
you will be devoured by the sword of your enemies.
I, the Lord, have spoken!”
Comment by Linus — March 19, 2009 @ 8:56 pm
cheers beatthedrum, I just love that happy days clip. you’ve completly won me over to worship rock
- it was a bit weird though, watching the clip, and then coming back to read Linus’s quote, which some how had arrived just as I flicked back to asbo. it really made me think, it’s not passionate, heart felt, worship that bugs me, it’s that feeling that somethings going down about smugness, or indifference to others, or something. (that thing churches do, about deciding who’s got ‘it’, and who aint) Sometimes people are blasting away, full pelt, and yet a chill drifts across. church can be the coldest place in the world, or full of love, there aint no middle ground.
Comment by subo — March 19, 2009 @ 9:17 pm
sorry, yeah, quoting that wasn’t a response to that song or anything. Just a response to the topic from where i’m at with it.
For what its worth, i quite like “greatest day”. Most drummers do, i’d imagine =]
Subo, try playing in the band and watching people “blasting away” and feeling total disconnect whilst you play the song they are singing. It is really odd. You are right there ain’t no middle ground. Which is good, cos God doesn’t care for lukewarm muchly.
Comment by Linus — March 19, 2009 @ 9:43 pm
This reminds me of the time I was a chalice bearer for Easter – we had to consumer ALL the leftover wine after each service – and we drank it rather quickly. I was plastered after three services.
Comment by beckyG — March 19, 2009 @ 9:46 pm
I found this so funny. It’s so where I’m at. Can’t be bothered with the “look at us, we’re so trendy” church and all the shouty songs. And incidentally, I do not like Happy Day!
Comment by Hazel — March 19, 2009 @ 10:20 pm
One of my favourite ever ASBOs, and true on so many levels!
Although, #28, I’m pretty sure even contemplative/alternative/emergent worshippers can save up all their worshipping power for their fortnightly chillax with God – I don’t think this particular post is getting at one tradition in particular.
Comment by youthworkerpete — March 19, 2009 @ 10:34 pm
thanks youthworkerpete… yup, i’m indiscriminately having a pop at everyone anyone this may apply to.
Comment by jonbirch — March 19, 2009 @ 10:39 pm
To #29, I do agree it’s not intended to “get at” any one tradition in particular and didn’t intend to imply that it was, but that was my personal interpretation which which was what amused me and was very much my personal rant!
Comment by Hazel — March 19, 2009 @ 10:50 pm
glad it amused you, hazel. it amused me too.
Comment by jonbirch — March 19, 2009 @ 10:58 pm
A very big thank you for this bit of subversive genius
Comment by Doug Chaplin — March 19, 2009 @ 11:11 pm
Reminds me of our evening at Bath City Church, Jon. This made me look up the Revival Fire thing and Todd Bentley to see what had happened to that. Imagine my surprise…
Comment by JF — March 19, 2009 @ 11:25 pm
jf… hahahahaha! you’re very naughty.
Comment by jonbirch — March 19, 2009 @ 11:42 pm
doug… great surname. any relation to the great sir charles? thanks for the compliment.
Comment by jonbirch — March 19, 2009 @ 11:44 pm
In some US “Emergent Church” circles, one can go to a bar/pub for a religionless Christianity experience – so you can get wasted and worship … bring on the biblical buzz …
Comment by beckyG — March 20, 2009 @ 3:06 am
I’m more concerned that none of them seem to have changed their clothes for 36 hours…..
Comment by andyp — March 20, 2009 @ 9:30 am
Didnt know you were a drummer as well Subo……
Comment by beatthedrum — March 20, 2009 @ 9:31 am
38. My point exactly – just like in college the philosophy pub went on and on and on … until all involved passed out.
Comment by beckyG — March 21, 2009 @ 6:14 am
Reminds me of Soul Survivor.
Comment by Lewis — March 21, 2009 @ 8:00 am
following the advice of beatthedrum and Hisgal, I found Tim Hughes and Happy Day on you tube…
sorry, but
I found it disappointing
what gets to me about modern worship songs is that they’re all
in the past tense, every thing is complete…
ok ok, I know the scriptures; I’ve read I Peter as well and
yes, I know that the cross is crucial to my faith and to the
destruction of that spoils this world, but
and this is a big BUT for me
it seems to me that current worship songs give the impression
that the hard work is all done, but
as Paul noted, there is a sense that we have to compete Jesus’
crucifixion in our own lives, holiness doesn’t come in one
whoossshhh, with a torrent of the Holy Spirit (we all hoped that
would be the case in the seventies, and my life seems to be
evidence that it doesn’t go that way….)
I would like more worship songs that centre Jesus but also centre
Him from the ongoing, difficult walk that is my Christian
pilgrimage, otherwise the worship is just fooling people that a few
moments of intensity of feeling captures a depth of God’s life…
I think that’s the difference between binge worship and a life
or sacrifice of worship…
Comment by Caroline Too — March 22, 2009 @ 6:51 pm
“Though I walk upon ground that is rugged and uneven….”
“… there’s pain in the offering…”
http://www.beatthedrum.wordpress.com
Comment by beatthedrum — March 23, 2009 @ 1:29 pm
Again i agree and disagree with Caroline #42
I like to binge worship at times, just drink in the presence of God and give him my all, in singing, dancing, shouting, quiet, sitting, on my knees, face down, standing…. because He is amazing and it is finished. I am free, I am saved, I am rescued becasue of a past event, but in God it is current today as well.
But then there are also times when i want tell him how hard it is, how im struggling, how lonely i feel, when times are tough, when people are after me etc
Is it me or does that sound like the example of a song book we have.. oh yes its Psalms.
http://www.beatthedrum.wordpress.com
Comment by beatthedrum — March 23, 2009 @ 1:32 pm
CT, agree very much with your point that our worship should express the whole of our heart to God, not just the well-adjusted shiny happy bits. It was a priveledge to hang out with my church community yesterday morning as we acknowledged that sometimes its tough going, but God is still here.
To be fair, no one worship song is going to express the whole gamut of human emotion. That’s why there should be variety in the acts of worship that we come together to engage with God through. I think “Happy Day” is a good way to express one set of human emotions to God. In fairness to Tim Hughes, he is responsible for songs which can help to express very different sets of emotions, too.
One more thing. Genuine worship results in transformed hearts. Transformed hearts act differently. Genuine worship produces change.
Comment by Linus — March 23, 2009 @ 7:06 pm
Nothing wrong with a good binge worship session.
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So funny. Spot on.
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