I have a friend who has been through a lot and tells me that she can’t see how there would be a God if he lets these things happen.
I tell her that the Bible does not say that we will have an easy life, but guarantees that it will not be so. We find may people suffering in the book, including God’s own son. The promise that we do find is that God will be there throughout it all.
Hmm. I’ve been struggling a lot with feeling let down and disappointed with God of late. In the last 12 months my dad died very suddenly, and it looks like I can’t have children either (Not looking for sympathy, and certainly not looking for platitudes or easy answers.)That is simply the background. I feel like I’ve been doing a lot of ‘waiting’ on God. I’m still waiting.
on a lighter note – i am not joining any organization that makes me look like an extra from Little house on the prarie. I seldom wear skirts and when I do they are above the knee.
For years I taught childrens SS and church while the adults were in big peoples church and from the beginning I taught what I’d been taught that there would be no tears in heaven. Then one day when I was in a church service some where I heard the preacher say that there would be tears in heaven……..what???? yes there will be the tears of those who loved ones didn’t make it.!!
Without the trials and tribulations we wouldn’t grow and learn. Believe me I am preaching to the choir right now, I’ve done a lot of God are you there right now over the last few weeks. I have an Aunt who told me it was okay to scream and yell at God, that was just another way of communicating with him and after we get the anger out then we are more likely to listen when He talks to us again.
Just another quick note to add to my trials and tribulations……I will be going in tomorrow to have some surgery on my right foot, they will be breaking all my toes and resetting them with screws and wires. I will get to come home tomorrow if all goes well but need lots of prayer as this is a painful procedure and yes this is one of the things I had to ask God if He was there about over the last few months !!
God Bless!
Okay here it is, John 16:33 where Jesus says outright, in my version on hand it gives a full understanding of the implications.
Quoting Jesus, “In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration”
Uh-huh, oh yeah, no arguments with the man on that one!
Fortunately, that ain’t the end of what he said, “but be of good cheer, take courage, be confident, undaunted! For I have overcome the world and deprived it of the power to harm you and have conquered it for you.
That’s all well and good, but it still hurts like the blazes while you’re going through it!
YAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
alright, back from stirring the pasta.
Here’s where the tears in heaven lines are, Waaaaaaayyyy back in Revelation, 7:17 and 21:4
whoa, it’s way up there in Isiah 25:8 too that he’ll wipe away tears.
And from what it says earlier n 25:^ it does sound like the place is the new heaven and new earth where this happens, “And on this Mount Zion shall the lord of hosts make for all peoples a feast of rich things symbolic of his coronation festival inaugurating the reign of the lord on earth…”
So, referring to beliefs that accepting Jesus makes life ,and the idea that there won’t _ever_ be tears in heaven, it’s funny how many things are taught that a little bit of looking shows up not quite accurate.
Still doesn’t make it any mre comfortable to be in the middle of going through it!
good to read your comments asbofolk, am aware your going through some very painful things
it’s so good to be able to be honest, and not smoother a blanket of silence over stuff. it’s good just to admit we are in the midst of things, and don’t know where it’s going
have always taken the rev. quote about God wiping away every tear, as to mean he responds personally, and that no one’d tears are dismissed, (at last a safe place to cry a river)
Yeah, crying isn’t the same as having your tears wiped away. The latter is nice, worth crying for! I love the idea of kissing someone’s tears away. I mean kissing the actual tears. That’s so beautiful. I don’t think Heaven is about pretending there has been no suffering. We have a God who knows what suffering is and has chosen to suffer with us as a mother would her child.
I certainly don’t remember many of the easy journeys I have taken. The most memorable was setting off for Kampala on the day that all of the airports were shut down because of terrorist activity. Everywhere was locked down and every bottle of liquid was questioned unter police guard.
so true. Too Flipping true!
But then… if someone had told me this at the time, would I have jumped on that wagon ? I would like to think I would have… but I don’t know how much I believe that.
OK, so maybe there will be tears as we enter heaven, perhaps for those we leave and may never see again because they refused to come – BUT THEN God wipes the tears away, and we never weep again – look at the next part of that scripture!
Revelation 21
4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
There IS going to be an end to suffering.
Comment by AppleOfHisEye — July 16, 2009 @ 9:03 am
Well, ya have heartbreak with or without him.
Comment by Forrest — July 6, 2009 @ 8:54 am
It is more truthful than ‘come to Jesus- everything will be ok’.
Where can I get a hat like that?
Comment by Graham — July 6, 2009 @ 8:55 am
I have a friend who has been through a lot and tells me that she can’t see how there would be a God if he lets these things happen.
I tell her that the Bible does not say that we will have an easy life, but guarantees that it will not be so. We find may people suffering in the book, including God’s own son. The promise that we do find is that God will be there throughout it all.
Comment by James — July 6, 2009 @ 12:50 pm
It will happen in both christian and non-christian….
Comment by beatthedrum — July 6, 2009 @ 1:23 pm
Haha. Yeah, welcome to life.
Comment by Lewis — July 6, 2009 @ 2:16 pm
Hmm. I’ve been struggling a lot with feeling let down and disappointed with God of late. In the last 12 months my dad died very suddenly, and it looks like I can’t have children either (Not looking for sympathy, and certainly not looking for platitudes or easy answers.)That is simply the background. I feel like I’ve been doing a lot of ‘waiting’ on God. I’m still waiting.
Comment by Kayte — July 6, 2009 @ 3:24 pm
on a lighter note – i am not joining any organization that makes me look like an extra from Little house on the prarie. I seldom wear skirts and when I do they are above the knee.
Comment by becky — July 6, 2009 @ 3:28 pm
For years I taught childrens SS and church while the adults were in big peoples church and from the beginning I taught what I’d been taught that there would be no tears in heaven. Then one day when I was in a church service some where I heard the preacher say that there would be tears in heaven……..what???? yes there will be the tears of those who loved ones didn’t make it.!!
Without the trials and tribulations we wouldn’t grow and learn. Believe me I am preaching to the choir right now, I’ve done a lot of God are you there right now over the last few weeks. I have an Aunt who told me it was okay to scream and yell at God, that was just another way of communicating with him and after we get the anger out then we are more likely to listen when He talks to us again.
Comment by bubbybird — July 6, 2009 @ 3:32 pm
Just another quick note to add to my trials and tribulations……I will be going in tomorrow to have some surgery on my right foot, they will be breaking all my toes and resetting them with screws and wires. I will get to come home tomorrow if all goes well but need lots of prayer as this is a painful procedure and yes this is one of the things I had to ask God if He was there about over the last few months !!
God Bless!
Comment by bubbybird — July 6, 2009 @ 3:35 pm
Okay here it is, John 16:33 where Jesus says outright, in my version on hand it gives a full understanding of the implications.
Quoting Jesus, “In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration”
Uh-huh, oh yeah, no arguments with the man on that one!
Fortunately, that ain’t the end of what he said, “but be of good cheer, take courage, be confident, undaunted! For I have overcome the world and deprived it of the power to harm you and have conquered it for you.
That’s all well and good, but it still hurts like the blazes while you’re going through it!
YAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Forrest — July 6, 2009 @ 3:47 pm
alright, back from stirring the pasta.
Here’s where the tears in heaven lines are, Waaaaaaayyyy back in Revelation, 7:17 and 21:4
whoa, it’s way up there in Isiah 25:8 too that he’ll wipe away tears.
And from what it says earlier n 25:^ it does sound like the place is the new heaven and new earth where this happens, “And on this Mount Zion shall the lord of hosts make for all peoples a feast of rich things symbolic of his coronation festival inaugurating the reign of the lord on earth…”
So, referring to beliefs that accepting Jesus makes life ,and the idea that there won’t _ever_ be tears in heaven, it’s funny how many things are taught that a little bit of looking shows up not quite accurate.
Still doesn’t make it any mre comfortable to be in the middle of going through it!
gotta go drain the pasta, later.
Comment by Forrest — July 6, 2009 @ 3:58 pm
Ooopsl eft out important words -
So, referring to beliefs that accepting Jesus makes life easier and trouble free,…
Comment by Forrest — July 6, 2009 @ 3:59 pm
And now a bit of happiness in the midst of heartbreak – UPS just delivered a 7 foot wingspan stunt kite ordered last week.
Happy! Happy!
Comment by Forrest — July 6, 2009 @ 4:07 pm
that’s 2.17 meters for the metric folks
Comment by Forrest — July 6, 2009 @ 4:11 pm
yay – hope its very blowy for you
Comment by Kim — July 6, 2009 @ 5:08 pm
eek – the emoticons have changed without warning – that one looks like he’s just got new false teeth in
Comment by Kim — July 6, 2009 @ 5:09 pm
good to read your comments asbofolk, am aware your going through some very painful things
it’s so good to be able to be honest, and not smoother a blanket of silence over stuff. it’s good just to admit we are in the midst of things, and don’t know where it’s going
have always taken the rev. quote about God wiping away every tear, as to mean he responds personally, and that no one’d tears are dismissed, (at last a safe place to cry a river)
Comment by subo — July 6, 2009 @ 7:41 pm
Yeah, crying isn’t the same as having your tears wiped away. The latter is nice, worth crying for!
I love the idea of kissing someone’s tears away. I mean kissing the actual tears. That’s so beautiful. I don’t think Heaven is about pretending there has been no suffering. We have a God who knows what suffering is and has chosen to suffer with us as a mother would her child.
Comment by Tiggy — July 7, 2009 @ 1:27 am
I certainly don’t remember many of the easy journeys I have taken. The most memorable was setting off for Kampala on the day that all of the airports were shut down because of terrorist activity. Everywhere was locked down and every bottle of liquid was questioned unter police guard.
Got there though!
Comment by Robb — July 7, 2009 @ 8:07 am
so true. Too Flipping true!
But then… if someone had told me this at the time, would I have jumped on that wagon ? I would like to think I would have… but I don’t know how much I believe that.
Comment by christine Gill — July 7, 2009 @ 3:44 pm
Reminding me of George Herbert:
“But as I rav’d and grew more fierce and wild,
At every word,
Methought I heard one calling, Child:
And I reply’d, My Lord. ”
It hurts; but God is there with us.
Comment by Phil — July 10, 2009 @ 5:56 am
OK, so maybe there will be tears as we enter heaven, perhaps for those we leave and may never see again because they refused to come – BUT THEN God wipes the tears away, and we never weep again – look at the next part of that scripture!
Revelation 21
4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
There IS going to be an end to suffering.
Comment by AppleOfHisEye — July 16, 2009 @ 9:03 am