Comments on: 754 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/754/ Just another WordPress.com weblog Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:35:28 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Intense Light « Hannah’s Weblog http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/754/#comment-27129 Intense Light « Hannah’s Weblog Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:14:57 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/?p=2672#comment-27129 [...] So, I’ve been thinking a bit recently about this – first the comment and then the cartoon. (thanks ASBO Jesus. You [...] [...] So, I’ve been thinking a bit recently about this – first the comment and then the cartoon. (thanks ASBO Jesus. You [...]

]]> By: Tiggy http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/754/#comment-26579 Tiggy Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:45:45 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/?p=2672#comment-26579 My point is, that it isn't actually communication at all unless it takes into account the receiver. My point is, that it isn’t actually communication at all unless it takes into account the receiver.

]]> By: ED... (who blogs at Sincere Ignorance and Conscientious Stupidity) http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/754/#comment-26577 ED... (who blogs at Sincere Ignorance and Conscientious Stupidity) Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:36:29 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/?p=2672#comment-26577 Well, no, Tiggy. In fact, I couldn't have said what I meant without the adjectival phrase "receptor-oriented", so it isn't an *unnecessary* mouthful. It's like with evangelism: the hardest work an evangelist does is to adjust his mindset from transmission-oriented communication to listener-receivable speech. Technical manuals are written for the consumption of the cognoscenti, and an expert talks differently to other experts than he does when he is speaking to a beginner. If he does not adjust his speech, then the inexperienced listener soon gets bored, angry, and frustrated, and not only receives little, but becomes antipathetic to the subject. This is often precisely how (as the cartoon says) "with my words I can bring positive things into being, or kill them stone dead". My point about God doing this, is that in Jesus we have the ultimate example of the medium becoming the message. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. Well, no, Tiggy. In fact, I couldn’t have said what I meant without the adjectival phrase “receptor-oriented”, so it isn’t an *unnecessary* mouthful.

It’s like with evangelism:
the hardest work an evangelist does is to adjust his mindset from transmission-oriented communication to listener-receivable speech.

Technical manuals are written for the consumption of the cognoscenti, and an expert talks differently to other experts than he does when he is speaking to a beginner.

If he does not adjust his speech, then the inexperienced listener soon gets bored, angry, and frustrated, and not only receives little, but becomes antipathetic to the subject.

This is often precisely how (as the cartoon says) “with my words I can bring positive things into being, or kill them stone dead”.

My point about God doing this, is that in Jesus we have the ultimate example of the medium becoming the message.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

]]> By: Tiggy http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/754/#comment-26558 Tiggy Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:28:48 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/?p=2672#comment-26558 Well it's certainly an unnecessary mouthful (AASB). Communication presupposes an orientation toward a receiver. Otherwise it's not communication. I just imagined him wanting to slap her. Well it’s certainly an unnecessary mouthful (AASB).

Communication presupposes an orientation toward a receiver. Otherwise it’s not communication.

I just imagined him wanting to slap her.

]]> By: ED... http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/754/#comment-26541 ED... Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:23:05 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/?p=2672#comment-26541 Hi Tiggy, I was talking about God doing it, even if you weren't. And it's not a tautology! ED. Hi Tiggy,
I was talking about God doing it, even if you weren’t.

And it’s not a tautology!

ED.

]]> By: Graham http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/754/#comment-26540 Graham Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:39:30 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/?p=2672#comment-26540 Positive words and five minutes later the formerly despairing person becomes a woman??! Is it just me that saw that in this cartoon? Hmm...what does that say about me? Positive words and five minutes later the formerly despairing person becomes a woman??!

Is it just me that saw that in this cartoon? Hmm…what does that say about me?

]]> By: Tiggy http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/754/#comment-26524 Tiggy Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:18:46 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/?p=2672#comment-26524 We weren't talking about God doing it, Ed, we were talking about whether people could do it. 'God is a receptor oriented communicator. ' Rather a tautology! We weren’t talking about God doing it, Ed, we were talking about whether people could do it.

‘God is a receptor oriented communicator. ‘

Rather a tautology!

]]> By: Jane http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/754/#comment-26521 Jane Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:59:34 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/?p=2672#comment-26521 thanks for this - am in Lyon where pepople from all over Europe will gather this week "called to one hope in Christ" so this was a timely thought Will repost is later in the week here: http://cec-assembly.blogspot.com thanks for this – am in Lyon where pepople from all over Europe will gather this week “called to one hope in Christ” so this was a timely thought Will repost is later in the week here:
http://cec-assembly.blogspot.com

]]> By: ED... (who blogs at Sincere Ignorance and Conscientious Stupidity) http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/754/#comment-26514 ED... (who blogs at Sincere Ignorance and Conscientious Stupidity) Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:01:16 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/?p=2672#comment-26514 Yes, God does this. God creates what He commands. It's not by accident that Jesus is called the "word made flesh". God is a receptor oriented communicator. Jesus is how God answers questions like: "What is holiness, what is love, what is grace, what is glory, what is God like?" God doesn't just create with words, of course, he destroys too, as in Mark 11:21. He had the right, at that time of year, to expect some fruit from that tree, but saw nothing but leaves. This is also a communication of God's character. Yes, God does this.

God creates what He commands.

It’s not by accident that Jesus is called the “word made flesh”. God is a receptor oriented communicator. Jesus is how God answers questions like: “What is holiness, what is love, what is grace, what is glory, what is God like?”

God doesn’t just create with words, of course, he destroys too, as in Mark 11:21. He had the right, at that time of year, to expect some fruit from that tree, but saw nothing but leaves. This is also a communication of God’s character.

]]> By: Tiggy http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/754/#comment-26504 Tiggy Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:17:07 +0000 http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/?p=2672#comment-26504 Sometimes the world just crashes for no explicable reason. Jon, message on MySpace. :-( Sometimes the world just crashes for no explicable reason.

Jon, message on MySpace. :-(

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