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Someone else watched Horizon last week then! Didn’t that just blow your mind? It certainly did mine!
yes chris… utterly, utterly, utterly. the possibility of many infinities, all of which are different sizes…EH???!!! KERBOOM!!! (the sound of my head exploding!) a fascinating, deeply strange and interesting subject.
The infinity of infinities beheld by the singular. How strange!
Its seems to me that what science is mostly discovering at the moment is that the universe is way, way bigger, more awe inspiring and fundamentally weirder than you think.
This is strangely comforting in many ways.
I stole this idea from Kester Brewin, who spoke brilliantly about this at greenbelt last year.
As regards eternity, i tend to steal my ideas on that from another wise man, who once described it as knowing God.
Fundamentally weirder than you think…I like that!!!
I’ve known a couple fundamentally weird fundamentalists.
As a mathematician I often work not in 1D,2D,3D, or even N(arbitrary large number such as googlepex)D, but in infinte dimensions! Yes, although this seems ridiculous, there is real world application I’m told!
Where does Christianity get its claims to eternity with God from (I’m presuming its biblical)? I’ve always wondered where we get the idea that God is OUTSIDE of time, yet there is still a concept of eternity which is a very long period of time… hm…
Have you seen Rob Bell’s Everythign Is Spiritual? Not exactly about numbers, but a great piece of mind-numbing scientific wierdness!
Cochleate,I think eternity as “a very long period of time” is a misconception – eternity is no time. There was no beginning as a starting point to measure passage time from.
I think we can make the case God is probably outside of time by seeing that he created earthly time: it would seem to be difficult to create a thing from within that same thing.
genesis 1:4,5 “God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness, God called the light and the darkness he called night. And there evening and there was morning, the first day.
Literal 24 hour day? Allegorical day for some unkown period? I don’t knnow. What can be concluded from the evidence given is that this was the first passage of measurable time for this place.
Various references to God being eternal and to eternal and to eternity with God.
I’m going to have to use individual verses because quoting paragraphs of context is more typing tham my injured hand can do. And a lot of page space to.
Plus, anyone with a bible can themselves read them in context.
Nehemiah 9:5 “And the Levites – (list of names) – said ‘Stand up and praise the Lord your God who is from everlasting to everlasting”
Psalm 90:2 “Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the worls, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.”
Okay, apparently God is from eternal to eternal.
No beginning, no end – a REALLY alien concept to humans.
I think that’s one of those things where we can not “nderstand” it nad wrap our minds around it and we just have to accept that it is and our finite being can’t intellectually get there from here.
Isiah 26: Trust in the Lord forever For the Lord is the rock eternal.
1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and gloer, for ever and ever.
Romans 1:20 For sonce the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature have been clearyl seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excue.
Okay, so we have established some references to God being eternal.
I’m looking for a place the litera words – eternity with God – are used but not finding them: I’m not at home and hsave Kathy’s old bible not my study bibles.
Roman 8:16, 17 infers life with God – “The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
“Now, if we are children [of God], then we are heirs – heirs of God an co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory”
Now, there are verses referring ti Christ’s eternal glory – if we are going to share in his eternal gloery, asnd we are told we have eternal life with uor belief in Christ, then that infers that we will be with him eternally.
Then there’s the scene at the crucifixion where the one thief in Luke 23:42, 43
“Then he said, “Jesus remember me when you come into your kingdom”
Jesus answered him, “Today you will be with me in paradise”
Okay, so there we know of at least one person whill be with Jesus.
Revelation 2:7 “He who has an ear, let him hearwhat the spirit says to the churches, To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God”
there are comments in the bible that prople overcome sin’s effects and eternal consequences through fiath in Christ.
There are references to paradie of
god being eternal.
It’s a case of conect the dots.
Ah, here’s one, Psalm 16:11
“You have made known to me that path of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your rught hand”
We know Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life, so that would be the path of life eternal which was mad known.
And, it’s kind of hard to be at the right hand of an eternal God receiving eternal pleausres if you ain’t right there with God for eternity, eh?
isn’t time a creature… by which i mean ‘created’? there’s nothing in the bible to suggest an end of time, just a new age. i can see how time would no longer be synonymous with death and deadlines, but time seems to be a device by which things take place, such as the eating of a banquet.
“But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection. But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.” Luke 20.
“Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.” John 17