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animator, illustrator, character designer, graphic designer. music producer/recording musician. co-owner of PROOST. proost.co.uk
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26 Responses to 1084

  1. gavin mart says:

    HA! love this, getting braver?… hope you’re well Jon..
    http://gavinmart.blogspot.co.uk/

  2. helicopterandy says:

    lol. so true!

  3. jonbirch says:

    gavin… nah, i’m not brave. just met a lot of people who’ve been mashed by their circumstances in recent months and years. they’ve been manipulated, taken from, used, then lied about and discarded. fortunately, my view is that churches at their best are great places of community, acceptance, creativity, nurture etc… but so many agendas and ‘visions’ can trample people in to the dirt and leave a filthy mess in their wake.

  4. mdrev says:

    Preparing to go back to church after couple of weeks off, best get bandages, blood transfusions and surgical team on standby!!

  5. TreeHouseBooks says:

    genius

  6. TreeHouseBooks says:

    have you seen those little thermometers that measure church temperature?, a hot reading says ‘fun loving community, love and acceptance found, highly likely to build your faith’, the freezing point says ‘judgmental driven atmosphere, prolonged attendance may result in burnout or breakdown’

  7. Tiggy Sagar says:

    I find that it’s the people in leadership positions who are bent on control who trample on people. I’ve had nothing but support and friendship from the Community Group of the church I was going to but the church leader can’t stand me!

  8. mdrev says:

    Tiggy, leaders get trampled too and have their fair share of those that can’t stand them – the hypocrisy of church definitely cuts both ways.

  9. theGreatFuzzy says:

    Is it better to have been beaten up than to have been beating up?

  10. lanceleuven says:

    I’m not religious myself so forgive me if I’m being presumptuous here, but I think it’s fair to say that Jesus’s message was lost on the person who took a bow and arrow to church!

    But on a more serious note, nice cartoon Jon! Pretty brazen, but well said all the same.

  11. jonbirch says:

    lanceleuven… haha, i’m utterly with you on this. :-)

  12. Pat says:

    Sadly, I’m sure the arrow was fired ‘in love’ :-((

  13. jonbirch says:

    btw… i reckon this cartoon could equally be about the scientific community or any other where a few don’t fit, or don’t easily go along with the majority. :-(

  14. mdrev says:

    Another arrow fired in “love” from the bow of “justice”? Sadly i think that all too often love is a cover for a multitude of sins…

  15. jonbirch says:

    sadly, i do too, mdrev. :-(

  16. theGreatFuzzy says:

    @jonbirch:btw… i reckon this cartoon could equally be about the scientific community or any other where a few don’t fit, or don’t easily go along with the majority
    ==
    Who would stay in a community which does not welcome reasoned criticism?

  17. theGreatFuzzy says:

    @mdrev: Sadly i think that all too often love is a cover for a multitude of sins…
    ==
    Then surely it’s not love at all?

  18. jonbirch says:

    “Then surely it’s not love at all?”… indeed, i think that is mdrev’s point.
    “Who would stay in a community which does not welcome reasoned criticism?” lots of people i think. the need for acceptance and to belong are powerful forces in people i believe. it is amazing what people can put up with so as not to feel abandoned.
    btw… love the name ‘theGreatFuzzy’. :-)

  19. helicopterandy says:

    that reminds me of c s lewis’ screwtape letters…the whole bit about becomng one of ‘them’

  20. theGreatFuzzy says:

    “…it is amazing what people can put up with so as not to feel abandoned.”
    Yes, it happens all the time. But by staying in such communities you eventually end up abandoning your true self, that’s a high price to pay. If we teach our children that reasoned criticism is okay then they are less likely to end up in communities that don’t accept it, and if they do are well equipped to challenge and, hopefully, change them.

    P.S. Thanks, I like the name too. Can’t claim any merit for it though, it came about somewhat by accident.

  21. jonbirch says:

    i agree entirely, thegreatfuzzy

  22. goodfield says:

    I apologise in advanced for any embarrassment caused by #1086 :-)

  23. Geordie Gilly says:

    Goodfield: Tee hee! :-)

  24. Mc says:

    This is how me and my wife are feeling right now, I’ve never felt that way about a church before.
    When we went to a local pub, played pool, watched the football, had a drink with people, had a quiz, we felt more welcomed and accepted there than at our church. That was it that did it for me.

  25. subo says:

    Take care of yourself & your wife Mc, it’s grim how painful that church stuff can be. trust things will lead into life giving avenues

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