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About jonbirch

animator, illustrator, character designer, graphic designer. music producer/recording musician. co-owner of PROOST. proost.co.uk
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  1. Jon,
    Maybe fictional but definitely destructive! Many of us have the scars to prove it!
    ( | o )=====:::

  2. jonbirch says:

    yeh. i can only imagine. not my experience, but the experience of many i know. problem is, once you go down certain theological paths you have to get more and more creative and inventive with the truth in order to get that theology to work. if the focus is not on love people do get very badly hurt.
    many of the cartoons i do come out of an emotional response to the way i see peoples lives affected. it’s one of my ways of trying to do something helpful… though some may think it an odd way to go about it. :-) i want to empathise, like i want to be empathised with… not with the certain, sure, powerful people… but with the broken, hurting, doubtful and sorrowful people… people like me and people who are nowhere near as priveleged as me… whether they be christian or not, or leaders or not.
    now look what you’ve done, i’ve gone and said a whole lot of stuff that i wasn’t intending to when i started typing.

  3. jon,
    no worries. Transparency is a quality appreciated by all humans, especially those looking in on those of us who are followers of Jesus. They have come to expect a significant amount of BS when around church culture, at least they do here in the US. Of what I’ve experienced of British emergent followers of Jesus, you blokes have dispensed with the formalities and embraced the more eastern, jewish, earthy spirituality that Jesus lived and taught in the gospels. The gathering I am a part of, theeffect, springs from that understanding of Kingdom.
    Well, now I’ve said extra stuff too. Guess we’re in the presence of God and feeling safe. ;)

  4. Robb says:

    Fantastic. Systematic theology done in one fowl (sic) swoop! Unfortunatly there is a whole industry building on the back of such theoillogical ideas. Books films, ‘tinterweb sites and the like.

    I think I may blog this one later on :D

  5. Sarah says:

    Very funny.

    Sas x

  6. jonbirch says:

    i hope this remains a ‘safe’ site. i appreciate everyones openness. i always really look forward to seeing what people have to say… it always makes the day better. thanks everyone for the generous and helpful contributions.

  7. Lori says:

    I hope it’s safe to express this… I’m not sure WHAT I believe about the end times, except that in the end, God Wins.

    But many wonderful people, my dear mother and father included, believe firmly in the rapture of the church. They are the most loving, generous people I know, living at the poverty line, but giving WAY more than 10% of their income to those in need — giving as if they were wealthy. They love God and His people and never poke fun at the beliefs of other Christians.

    Jon, I love a lot of your stuff. I don’t really get the point of this one.

  8. jonbirch says:

    hi lori… the point of this one is not to poke fun at your parents or anyone like them. and i don’t doubt for a second that your parents are top quality people who sound wonderful to me. actually i thank god for people such as your parents… and such as you as it happens.
    no… this is an attack on the theology. we are not saved by what theology we do or don’t have, but bad theology such as the rapture which promotes an escapist view of the kingdom of heaven directly effects the creation to its detrament. why is it impossible to get america on side in caring for the planet globally… why is it as hard to get christians thinking about their responsibilties towards the creation as it is anyone else, when god made people responsible for it… and why is the church silent when the rain forest is slashed for economic gain, damaging the lives of indigenous people and the lives of others in the world suffering terrible floods as a result? the reason is, we don’t care enough… and at the heart of our not caring in christendom is this awful dualistic pseudo theology which says the world is destined for destruction, so what the heck!
    that is why just for the moment my cartoons are on this subject… don’t worry, just a couple more to go. i really do not think your parents are to blame for what is going on any more than i blame myself. but we are all responsible. christendom has no excuse… we have a text which sets out our duties regarding the creation… we are judged by it.

    i hope this helps, lori… and thank you for your comment. i hope you do feel safe to say what you needed to. the cartoons are done so that these very topics can be raised. :-)

  9. will says:

    To be honest Jon I think you are doing an excellent job and starting conversation. I know that you are sometimes, probably often, highlighting your own failings as well of those of everyone else.

    I hope that people can use these as starting points for conversation. Not as an excuse to attack you or your theology. IN this last debate i have really had to examine myself as well as getting deep into the bible. This can only be a good thing.

    I really pray that people see these illustrations/cartoons and this space for what it is.

    A safe space for debate and communication between friend on the same journey.

  10. jonbirch says:

    that’s very kind. here’s to the journey. :-)

  11. Is it OK to hang out with ya’ll once in a while? I am a PPer and I hope I am not one of the mean people…you’ll have to decide that

  12. jonbirch says:

    you are very welcome. :-)

  13. Well I have no expectation of the rapture but I do love jesus and I do love our planet….

    strange that we describe it as “our” planet, but we don’t want to look after it….

    I look after all the stuff that’s “mine” or placed briefly in my care…

    especially things that are in my care
    (the owner is coming back and I guess he wants what he left, otherwise he would have put it in the bin already or sold it on e-bay).

    PS I also love dinosaurs! ;]
    Nice work jon ;]

  14. Sara says:

    Oh, I can just see it:

    For sale: Earth
    Condition: Fair to poor
    Seller: God (This seller has no previous ratings).
    Number Available: 1
    Starting Bid: Unspecified (No shipping costs!)

    All sales are final.

  15. Sara says:

    Also, for an alternate (and I think better) exegesis of the passage that most people use to support the rapture, see my husbands blog:


  16. Sarah says:


    Here’s to this remaining a safe site too. And well done on all your work.

    Well done everyone,

    Sas x

  17. jonbirch says:

    sara… your mans blog post is brilliant. he has explained it very well. i wish we didn’t have to argue this stuff, but it’s important. i taffects everything. thanks for the link. :-)

    thank you sas. :-).
    it’s down to us all to keep this site safe. differences of view must be heard and they must be allowed to be challenged. thank you to everyone who posts in this spirit. it is very much appreciated.

    kik hat snare.. i too love dino’s! your words are pragmatic and helpful. :-)

  18. subo says:

    one thing I find fascinating about the rapture is the way it seems to subtly change through different periods.
    as I understand it, the suffering church, including the slave church who gave us the Gospel songs, looked with longing at crossing the river. Though more recently it seems to have come across as a threat to all us hopeless sinners, unwashed and unrepentant. I tried repenting, and still felt awesomely afraid of the rapture. Then I tried sinning and decided the rapture was bunkum – well, you’ve got to be happy.

  19. Sarah says:

    Nice one Su.

    Sas x

  20. subo says:

    don’t stop me now

  21. Sarah says:

    Night night Su.

    God bless everybody.

    Sas x

  22. jonbirch says:

    goodnight mary-ellen, good night john boy. :-)

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