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animator, illustrator, character designer, graphic designer. music producer/recording musician. co-owner of PROOST. proost.co.uk
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  1. Caroline Too says:


  2. dennis says:

    I love the way we get to tackle these things here, I can imagine slipping that one in with my preaching this weekend! Infact seeing as though I thought about it I might as well go for it. ha ha.

  3. jonbirch says:

    you go for it dennis! :-)

  4. Carole says:

    jejeje! (thought I’d do a Spanish laugh today in the spirit of multiculturalism). There is less chance of being kneecapped by her husband if you just stick to thinking about it, though…

  5. smudge says:

    must be some very sinful celibate ‘Fathers’ then ;)

    best to do it and get it over with…preferably with a marriage partner
    [my opinion – don’t shoot me :-)]

  6. smudge says:

    oh, should have said…your own marriage partner lol

  7. zefi says:

    No, he’s saying it’s better to not purposefully thinking about doing it!

    It’s not about that first look, it’s about the second one.

  8. Carole says:

    We had a very honest priest who said that any priest who claimed to not struggle with the odd lustful thought was a liar. I found this honesty hugely refreshing…not sure what some of the old dears made of it, though… :lol:

  9. becky says:

    9. Where you get some serious ass repression is when you deny your feelings and then they bottle up and then get revealed in some very nasty ways – Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, not to mention the Catholic sex abuse scandals, etc., etc., etc.

    Then you have the other crowd that says do whatever you want as long as you aren’t hurting anyone that can be just as destructive.

  10. drew says:

    “…..and love your neighbor as yourself…..”
    if your neighbor welcomes the exchange of intimacies – surely you are obeying this one!

  11. Ros says:

    I’ve thought about having sex with lots of people, but I know that I haven’t done it!

  12. Carole says:

    What, Ros, all at once? :)

  13. subo says:

    what about the ‘sin of omission’?

  14. Robb says:

    Subo – When you haven’t had sex with people?

  15. commutertheology says:

    isn’t this what protestants do all the time in their own heads? without that funky wooden box for confessions, or using the whole praying-out-loud-together thing to mention recent sins, we play both priest and confessor… and end up making the same conclusion

  16. Timbo says:

    Zefi (#7), I’ve got prolonging the first look to the point where the pretty girl disappears over the horizon down to a fine art. After that, there’s not much point looking again.
    I can’t be the only one.

  17. Robb says:

    surely you should covet your neighbours ass…

  18. Timbo says:

    And, seriously, (and this goes for the OCD discussion on the previous cartoon) what Jesus talked about was what was in the heart, not the suggestions of [whatever sin we’re talking about this time]that pop into the head.
    It’s not wrong to be tempted – even Jesus had the devil whispering in his ear, “Wouldn’t it be lovely…” If we go on to agree with, and actively entertain those thoughts – because, to be sure, it might very well be lovely to [whatever sin we’re talking about this time] (c’mon, we’re not going to be tempted to over-indulge in sprout eating) then we’re in trouble.

  19. Timbo says:

    Yeah, he’s got a very nice ass. But I’m saving up for one of my own.

    I saw a ridiculous documentary on Channel 4 a few years back. The series dealt with one of the seven deadly sins (sorry, Seven Deadly Sins) every week and reassessed them. And this guy was talking about how his envy of the penis-size of porn stars inspired him to get an extension, and now, because he has a big knob, he gets a lot more sex, his self confidence has sky rocketed and his life is so much better – so, therefore, his life has been improved by his envy and, therefore, envy must be a good thing. Q.E.D.


  20. Caroline says:

    Maybe doing it and thinking about it are both sins in God’s eyes, but the consequences on earth are 2 entirely different things. I would rather have my husband think about it, come home and tell me that he is having a struggle then for him to come home and tell me he went through with it…but you are right..sometimes ministers have pat answers for everything instead of really listening and comforting with the love of God…

  21. jody says:

    I really think you have to listen to Robb on this one – the text of Scripture that deals with this is simply turning on its head the inequality of men being able to divorce their wives at a drop of the hat, but a woman having no ‘rights’ whatsover.

    and we’ve turned it into a way to bang (ahem) ourselves over the head about it.

    from a psychological perspective, ‘fantasy’ as a technical term is a very normal and healthy way for the human brain to react. people who do not fantasise are not actually better off than those who do – it is unhealthy because what happens is that the healthy tendency to fantasise which is repressed pops up in real life and when the boundaries of fantasy and real life are crossed, this becomes quite dangerous.

    Also, I find that fantasies run their course in a natural way.

    oh, also I’m not actually (just) talking about the sexual kind, also those where…uh never mind :lol:

  22. Heidi says:

    I find the opposite to be true. The less I fantasize, and the more I engage and plug into real life, the more enriching real life is. Also, dreaming is good, but I wouldn’t define it the same way as fantasizing. :-)

  23. Ros says:

    No Carol, only one at a time.

  24. jody says:

    hi heidi

    i’m interested what the difference between dreaming and fantasizing is? i’m thinking that it is probably the connotations of the language? people think of dirty sexy fantasies when they think of ‘fantasising’ but of clean fluffy things when ‘dreaming’?

    i might be wrong.

    but the technical definition is the same for both (that’s what i meant when i said it isn’t about sexual fantasies)

  25. subo says:

    I guess I think fantasy and life are intimately engaged, and can be life enhancing, or life escaping, the thing is though it’s not clear cut, escaping can re-energise a return or short circuit into an addiction.

    the Saint Ignatius’ ‘review of the day’*, uses fantasy to look at how we effect others and to invite Jesus into our intimate lives.

    *(chat through recent events, non-judgementally, with Jesus, as though watching a replay)

  26. Heidi says:

    Hey Jody, glad I checked back here.

    I mean fantasizing as using your mind as a playground, imagining scenarios for your private mental pleasure, be it sex, romance, fame.

    I would define dreaming (the awake kind) as a wish, a hope, a goal for something real…preferably moral. ;-)

    The two could mesh of course, but I kind of look at them as a little different from each other, but similar.

    Clear as mud? :-)

  27. jody says:

    Hi Heidi

    yes, I’m glad you checked back too :-)

    is it really wrong to use your mind as a playground – sounds eminently creator God-like to me?

    obviously some pleasure can be perverted, but pleasure in itself is God-given, no?

  28. Heidi says:

    Hi again Jody. God created mind-blowing pleasure, no one can deny that. :-)

    I think it would be wrong if it becomes some sort of vice, or if it in any way offends God, or if it becomes a coping mechanism, yada yada yada.

    I guess as one who has used her mind as a playground in the past, I’m finding it much more fulfilling to experience it for real. There’s too much pleasure to be had outside of the mind to waste much time just thinking about it. :-)

    That being said, I think there’s room for a little healthy shared fantasizing in the bedroom between hubby and wife. Just sayin’!

  29. Bo says:

    I’ve concluded that fantasising is a childish thing to do, and not constructive for an adult.
    This is primarily because a fantasy cost time and energy that should have been spend on a vision.

    A fantasy is something you can’t achieve (or really, really shouldn’t try to achieve) where a vision is something that you want to happen in real life, and where you can take action to make it more likely to happen.
    A fantasy makes us passive, where a vision prompt us to move.
    A fantasy make us cope with our reality, a vision make us improve our reality.
    And trust me, a true vision can be every bit as energizing, pleasant and brilliant as any fantasy.

    Personally, I use my imagination in roleplaying games, but that’s (in my case) an entertaining excercise in visualising situations from description and thinking like a different person, (not to mention a social event) rather than a means of escape from reality.

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