idea shamelessly stolen from will. thanks will. :-)

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animator, illustrator, character designer, graphic designer. music producer/recording musician. co-owner of PROOST. proost.co.uk
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25 Responses to 864

  1. Mark says:

    The self-serving church?

  2. Pat says:

    Anyone for gratuitous love in the style of Jesus? :-?

  3. jonbirch says:

    i’m not sure what you’re asking, pat? :lol:

  4. Pat says:

    :roll: Shame on you jon birch :-P :lol:

  5. Perry says:

    What if you believe your community is so amazing that you would want them to become a part of it too? Like it was more valuable than the food and such.

  6. Forrest says:

    Perry has a point, the fellowship, the community, of Christ is an amazing thing. Food and shelter won’t give one eternal life, he can and will if one wants it.

  7. becky says:

    Yeah Forrest but I “think” Jon is getting at this hidden agenda thing-y. I will “love” you provided you then do what I want. Jesus extended radical love to all and then let them decide how they wanted to respond. Remember when he healed 10 folks, only one came back and said “thanks.” And Jesus was OK with that. Me, I’d want all ten to say thanks. I’m working on doing deeds in quiet without expecting any reward but it’s rough on the ego some days. ;)

  8. Andy says:

    @Becky, how do you know Jesus was OK with that?

    I agree that hidden agendas that we try to enforce are not a good thing, but the idea of serving people without making any reference to church at all isn’t helpful either.

    Jesus wasn’t a secular humanist, He loves the church.

    But, as the cartoon highlights, there is a difference between ‘the church’ and ‘our church’.

  9. Pat says:

    Andy – depends what you mean by ‘ok with that’ I guess?

    One doesn’t see him change his modus operandi in light of such events to make faith/belief/behavioural change a prior condition of healing someone.

    Which isn’t to say that he might not have been emotionally affected by a lack of a certain type of response in some scenarios.

    I took Becky to be referring to the former rather than the latter.

  10. Im still laughing at Jons comment to Pat (3) naughty boy Jon.

    Am I right in thinking those guys are begging for him to come to their Church, interesting concept that already takes place. I think I was taught to beg people to church in my past life now I beg them not too! :)

  11. subo says:

    i think that too, that God gave us ‘church’, to offer amazing, life changing love, to make sure people feel included, know they are cared about and accepted and understood, and valued

    a place to have a go, share, and laugh occasionally

  12. will says:

    :D thanks Jon, This came from a conversation based on this passage:

    To all appearances they’re a nation of right-living people – law-abiding, God-honoring. They ask me, ‘What’s the right thing to do?’ and love having me on their side. But they also complain, ‘Why do we fast and you don’t look our way? Why do we humble ourselves and you don’t even notice?’here’s why: “The bottom line on your ‘fast days’ is profit. You drive your employees much too hard.You fast, but at the same time you bicker and fight. You fast, but you swing a mean fist.The kind of fasting you do won’t get your prayers off the ground.

    Do you think this is the kind of fast day I’m after: a day to show off humility? To put on a pious long face and parade around solemnly in black? Do you call that fasting, a fast day that I, God, would like?

    Do this and the lights will turn on, and your lives will turn around at once.Your righteousness will pave your way. The God of glory will secure your passage.Then when you pray, God will answer. You’ll call out for help and I’ll say, ‘Here I am.’

    This last paragraph was key. If we did what was being asked we are not told that our numbers would be added to. Or that they shall receive salvation. It’s saying do this and you’ll know me.

    Can we really give without any conditions attached?

  13. will says:

    please ignore the duplicated line…..Unless Jon wants to take it out for me. :)

  14. jonbirch says:

    what duplicated line? :-)

  15. kim says:

    I think in the passage about the dividing of the sheep and the goats, it reads to me that we just do those things because we love people. No strings.

    Everyone always gets a free choice about God, and if we make them feel coerced, thats not showing grace, which should be freely offered :lol:

  16. Freedom Bound says:

    “Jesus wasn’t a secular humanist”

    Though of course he wasn’t a Christian either…..

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  18. Marty Martin says:

    “Christ…loved the church, and gave himself for it; that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle…but that it should be holy and without blemish” (Ephesians 5:25-27). So the church isn’t all bad if Christ died for it. Now that said the invitation we should be most interested in is inviting people to know Him!

    Here the other side of the coin. If no one comes to the church, then there is no one to feed the poor, care for the sick, etc. at said church.

    Also we have to be careful if we think that Christ only taught relief of suffering. He pointed an eternal way out of suffering. The ulimate bread He asks us to share is the Bread of Life.

  19. Marty Martin says:

    Ps – I noticed the call for donations on the side via paypal? I feel a little violated.

  20. jonbirch says:

    hi marty… the cartoons on this site are absolutely free for anyone to use for whatever purposes as stated on the ‘about’ page. for those who feel they can or want to contribute when they use stuff there is a link to paypal provided. hope that makes things better. :-)

  21. Marty Martin says:

    Jon – I hear ya, but I’m just saying it could be misunderstood like the church so often is! I know the church has many problems, but most of the time they are just good people trying their best, like this site!

  22. Mike says:

    I hope it is ok, but I would like to use this cartoon on a future post about motives. If it is not just let me know.

  23. jonbirch says:

    no problem at all, mike. :-)

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