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animator, illustrator, character designer, graphic designer. music producer/recording musician. co-owner of PROOST. proost.co.uk
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  1. Tiggy says:

    Haha! I asked them to lengthen both of mine, but for some reason no one was interested.

    Looks like his right arm has been dislocated as well!

    How reasonably intelligent people can believe such tripe, I don’t know. If they went to a Pilates class they’d realise that legs are lengthened’ each time the pelvis relaxes.

  2. Kim says:

    This made me roar – poor guy looks like a stork :lol:

    Tiggy – perhaps the miracle is God making their pelvis relax!

    I was at a church service a few years ago and an old guy was healed of something in his legs and he threw his sticks down and walked off the stage.

    Half an hour later I heard his wife on the phone to all their family members, in tears, telling them all that dad could walk. I’ve never forgotten it and I think its easy to be cynical about this stuff, and yes there are issues at times, but when it really happens, people’s lives do change hugely.

  3. subo says:

    I’ve memories of God gently relating to me, and talking to me about what was happening, during a time when I needed loads of healing, a long way from the ‘dictatorial’ expectations I’d made

    and despite my irritation with the ‘hype’, with the front man ego’s and mind boggling claims, I think there’s something powerful in coming before God – for healing

    there’s loads of thought behind the Iona healing service, and am off the opinion that we should be offering a quiet, welcoming invitation for healing prayer, free of expectation

  4. Carole says:

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!……..Breathe in……..hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

  5. JF says:

    Let’s all pray for amputees, who never seem to get healed!

  6. chris says:

    Ha! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! :D

  7. janetp says:

    Be careful what you pray for (or allow others to pray for on your behalf)….. :lol:

  8. Hazel says:

    Brilliant. Physical healing is one thing I remain very unsure about and I certainly don’t like people dragged up the front for public prayer. I like Subo’s point @3.
    Was very tempted this week to point out to someone that God doesn’t seem to eradicate head lice or fix cars either.

  9. JF says:

    What is ‘healing prayer’?

    And Subo, if I may ask you directly, when God ‘talked’ to you, how did you ‘hear’ it? What did it sound like?

  10. Eric says:

    Why is it that uneven leg length is so common a condition to be healed in healing meetings that we can joke about it?

  11. jonbirch says:

    eric… many people are stiff, locked and crooked at the base of the spine. this causes many back problems people get as the whole skeleton and nerve and muscles will be out of kilter too, so the body compensates by finding comfy positions which in the end can cause pain or discomfort. a bit of chiro (getting the base moving again) and ‘hey presto’, magic done. a very helpful bit of magic too if you’re suffering in this way… but not really a miracle by nt standards i don’t think.

    jf makes a good point. amputees don’t get healed (at least not in the physical way we’re talking about here). in fact, i’ve never seen what could be termed as a ‘miraculous’ healing. i’ve seen peoples lives changed as a result of love, compassion and listening and doing. i also know of people whose tumour has stopped growing etc. and that, although a miracle in its amazing way, is still different i think, to healing the blind with spit or healing constant bleeding with an anonymous touch.
    anyone here actually seen a miracle that can’t be picked apart in 5 seconds flat?
    i think of what’s his name from the florida outpouring claiming all the people who’d been raised from the dead… yet not a single one validated. preying on peoples needs rather than being with them through their needs just seems very cruel to me.

  12. Bo says:

    Tiggy, the most well-respected and humble “miracle worker” in Denmark does just that – fixing legs of uneven length.
    The guy does not do huge proclamations or billboard ads for God’s power to heal an his own ministry, unlike some other healers.
    He visited the boarding school of my younger sisters, and healed some of the teenagers there, christians and non-christians alike.
    They took videos of this with their cells, and those who were healed are still free from their former problems.

    So I would consider myself an intelligent person, even though I belive in “such tripe”.

  13. jonbirch says:

    bo… i think sorting out peoples legs for free is a great thing to go around doing… not miraculous in the way i’m thinking, but none-the-less wonderful for those it helps. i have a chiropractor who has really sorted out my back, but he’s not free! i love the idea of doing good stuff for no other reason than you love god and your neighbour… i love that generous spiritedness.

  14. JF says:

    Bo, I am so glad you put “miracle worker” in inverted commas.

    ‘Uneven leg length’ is generally a postural problem (hip alignment etc.) which is therefore easily resolved with some simple techniques.

    So not really a “miracle” in the sense most people would understand.

    Jon – this is what I was driving at the other day (when talking about ‘religious’). It’s hard to discuss “miracle” when some people are using it in the accepted sense (a suspension of the laws of physics/nature at divine behest) and others are using it in the sense of “something that had an unusually positive outcome”.

    I kept hearing of the rescue of the Chilean miners in terms of it being a ‘miracle’. Very annoying, given that it was in fact down to the skilled and dedicated work of a team of rescuers, working tirelessly for months and always within the laws of physics etc., using a bunch of huge drills. It was brave, exciting, inspiring, amazing, scary, challenging, positive, and a whole bunch of other things. But it was not a miracle.

    I think if we ditched such superstitious language when dealing with / talking about reality, we will find the interaction with reality itself a lot more rewarding/productive.

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