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About jonbirch

animator, illustrator, character designer, graphic designer. music producer/recording musician. co-owner of PROOST. proost.co.uk
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17 Responses to 1045

  1. Catriona says:

    OK Jon, how d’you know I’m preahcing on children and church this Sunday?

  2. jonbirch says:

    i promise i didn’t. :-) btw, i’ve always found it really strange, people talking of children as ‘the future’ as if they don’t already exist. it seems a little like talking about someone when they’re still in the room!

  3. jonbirch says:

    actually, according to jesus, we’re supposed to follow the example of children, which gives them a very important part to play in the present.

  4. Catriona says:

    absolutely, now i don’t need to preach it! Actually I’m talking about nurture in the light of JC blessing children and the ‘rich young ruler’ who’d evidently been brought uo in a very orthodox Jewish family bit didn’t get it… something along the lines of principles rather than laws… heresy as ever!!! ;-)

  5. Ricky Rew says:

    Amen! My earliest lesson in Youth Ministry was to speak against the ‘children are the church of the future’ mindset.

  6. Most probably won’t even be there in the future anyway…they’ll have voted with their feet and gone to Curry’s! :-)

  7. AnneDroid says:

    Singing – tunelessly in my case – from the same hymnsheet on this one. Have often thought that too, Jon.

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  9. soon they will be the past and sadly with their own Idiosyncrasies to annoy the younger generation #apologiesforbeinganass …

  10. thehutch says:

    agree completely…..but also hope they have a contribution to make in the future too!

  11. subo says:

    i don’t know if it’s the same thing, but I get really irritated with the way some churches seem to be in conflict with everything else, as though they have been given the task of fossilising their kind of church in it’s pristine format – even though there’s many dubious elements in the format their pickling

  12. janetp says:

    At my church the other week, a life-sized (and very realistic) cuddly chicken appeared, and Batman helped take the collection! It was brilliant … :)

  13. TomC says:

    THANK YOU JON! In my years in youth ministry few things annoyed me more than hearing people talk about how important Youth Ministry is because ‘they’re the church of the future’ while resisting efforts to allow them to be an important part of the church NOW. People want kids, and teens particularly to be hidden away in the youth room until they’re old enough for ‘real’ church, allowed out for occasional events which let the older generation feel good about ‘supporting the youth’. you want to support the youth? mentor a teen. invite them into your life, learn from them and get of your patronising high horse and actually walk alongside them for a while. Because if we don’t wholeheartedly embrace the young as an integral part of the church today i fear there may not be a church tomorrow.

  14. rithompson says:

    As someone at my church said a few months back, a church that does not welcome children isn’t going to last much longer (well, along those lines).


  15. Well done, John.

    Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.
    1 Timothy 4:12

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